Black and White Podcast

A Christian podcast of Radical Grace, Raw Truth & Real Hope in a Gray World

About Us

Denise Pass ~ Seeing Deep in a Shallow World


Denise Pass is a national speaker with Compassion International as well as a women’s conference speaker, CCM Artist/Songwriter and worship leader with Seeing Deep Ministries, where she helps readers and listeners to overcome the battles of the mind with the word of God. She maintains a blog with weekly devotional messages that inspire hope and shed shame. She’s the author of Shame Off You and 31 Days to Hope Reinvented and serves as a volunteer leader for COMPEL/Proverbs 31 Ministries.

Before she wrote books, she wrote several award-winning songs that received radio airplay, including You Are Worthy and Layers. Passionate to help others to see deep in a shallow world, Denise also has two podcasts that communicate biblical truths for our daily lives, Seeing Deep as well as the Black and White podcasts.

Denise and her husband live near Fredericksburg, VA. A homeschool mom of five with four in college, Denise has a passion to help moms navigate motherhood with grace and courage. An advocate for children, her youngest was adopted from Russia. When Denise is not ministering at conferences, she is leading worship on Sundays at her home church, studying God’s word, writing books or songs, gardening or spending time with family and friends. Visit her at or on YouTube.

Allison Mayberry


Allison Mayberry is a Speaker and engagement director for WPER in Fredericksburg, VA.  She is married to her childhood sweetheart and we have 4 amazing children that are now beginning their journey into adulthood. My all time favorite place to be (besides with my family) is the beach. Blue skies, the sound of the ocean and your toes in the sand make everything better.
Our family attends Choice Baptist Church and I hold a bible study in my home weekly. (Love my MOMSTRONG tribe). I am grateful for all the blessing the Lord has placed in my path and I look forward to meeting you in person at our events that will inspire you to live passionately for Jesus!

Did I mention we like to have FUN?


Though we might be covering some controversial or heavy topics, we are firm believers in doing so with joy. God has a sense of humor and so do we. Our podcast might be discussing the black and white issues of our day, but with lots of splashes of color! Join in and add your two cents on the Facebook page just for you!